glenngk
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Post by glenngk on Apr 15, 2017 11:34:40 GMT
David, I agree with you that if Dea is real then she must of necessary be objective. She must exist. In this case she then is as 3+2=5, a certainty. What I am saying is that because she is spiritual because I can not see her as clearly as 3+2=5 then my knowledge of her is much less clear and more purely subjective. Please note I am not a nihilist / relativist. I do believe that objective, in the sense you have used it, spiritual truth exists. I simply believe that it is highly unlikely that I or anyone else can claim to understand the fullness of that truth. We can only know aspects of it. Our knowledge is limited.
Glenn
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Post by david on Apr 16, 2017 17:29:53 GMT
Glenn,
You are making a confusion between objective existence and objective thought. When I try to find the answer to "What is 3+2?" I am using objective thought. This objective thought is not the answer 5. The answer 5 has an objective existence, but 5 is not objective thought. Now, since I have an imperfect awareness of the Dea, this does not mean the Dea has an imperfect existence. Her existence is independant of my awareness of Her.
May She be with you,
David.
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glenngk
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Post by glenngk on Apr 16, 2017 17:55:10 GMT
David, I did not say that because I may have a confused on unclear idea of Dea that she was therefore confused or unclear or not existent / objective. That is not what I meant at all.
Glenn
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Post by david on Apr 17, 2017 18:00:51 GMT
Glenn,
Your posts are in answer to my statement that religion is about an objective reality. You answered:
"The fact is that I do not believe in the religious dichotomy of religious faiths being either objectively true or false. Most are a mixture of both of these elements. In fact I have a real problem believing in your word "objective" or "logical" for that matter. To be honest I believe that the concept of objectivity comes purely out of the material realm. 2 + 3 = 5. That is an objective fact in any language or among any people."
The point I'm trying to make is that you've confused objective thinking with objective reality. You have argued that you cannot think objectivley about the Dea. I am pointing out that this does not mean the Dea has no objective existence. May She be with you,
David.
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glenngk
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Post by glenngk on Apr 17, 2017 19:10:31 GMT
David I am not in a particularly good mood now and I am not particularly interested in going into it. Perhaps I communicated my thoughts poorly in the post that you quote. But I will repeat I do not and did not intend to deny God objective reality in the sense which you mean. My statement about the whole issue of objectivity is that we human beings normally use the word objective only in relationship to material things which observable to the senses. We can not observe God in the same way that we can observe a table, chair, etc. God is real but we can not prove Gods reality in the same way we can prove the existence of the sun or moon.
I have said enough and have not intention of discussing this point further.
Glenn
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