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Post by david on Oct 13, 2016 16:05:02 GMT
I have placed the text of The Rite Of Sacrifrice on my gorup at groups.yahoo.com/group/Lux_Madriana along with other important Madrian practices. The Rite is a very important devotion, and should be practisec by every Madrian unless prevented by extreme difficulty.
David.
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Post by racemochridhe on Oct 15, 2016 21:04:16 GMT
David,
Thank you very much for sharing these. The poetry is simply stunningly beautiful (I particularly like the prayer beginning "Silver Light of the darkling forests..."
While we are discussing Madrian texts, though, I have recently been trying to do some critical analysis on the textual variants between the AAV and the MRM and I wondered if you are aware of any other manuscript witnesses to the scriptures along the Madrian line of transmission, other than the Markus Moessner manuscript that, as I understand it, formed the basis for the MRM version.
Also, I am curious about the relationship between Lux Madriana and feminist Witchcraft of the period, seeing as the ritual structures bear strong affinities with Wiccan practices that were becoming popular in Britain at that time. Did the format of Madrian ritual grow out of Wiccan or other Witchcraft-based practice, were elements of Wiccan practice borrowed into a pre-existing format of Madrian ritual, or are the similarities purely coincidental? I'd be grateful for any light you could shed on the history of the group in that respect.
-Race
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Post by david on Oct 16, 2016 17:26:35 GMT
Race,
The Scriptures I use were posted to me by the Madrian Literary Circle. I have not read the other versions of the Scriptures, except for The Creation in The Gospel Of Our Mother God. This is the same as the version In have,except that the Primordial Light is silver in my version, and The gospel Of Our Mother God contains teh lines: "And She set Her seven Powers in the firmament, giving one to rule each colour of the earth." This is not in my version.
I was told that the Scriptures sent to me were the complete set, but they did not include "Cry Madria" or "The Foolish Maiden". I believe "Cry Madria" to be genuine, because of its contents, but I am doubtful about "The Foolish Maiden", because it concentrates on material consequences rather than spiritual ones.
The explanation for the origin of all Madrian teachings that was given to me was that they are hereditary teachinigs preserved since the beginning of time, which means the Madrians were not influenced by any other source. I still believe this, despite the fact that I find musch of their principoes in other religions. The explanation for this is that Madrian teachings have filtered out into the Patriarchal world. I find this quite plausible, because this is what the Madrians would be likely to do. It is what I'm doing.
David.
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Post by racemochridhe on Oct 18, 2016 11:02:38 GMT
David,
Thank you for the clarification. Do I understand you correctly to be saying that the color of the primordial light and the presence of Creation 3:3 (in the AAV numbering) are the only differences between the AAV version and the one you were sent? I counted twelve additional textual variants, several of them rather substantial changes in wording, between the MRM and the AAV in The Creation, so that would be very significant for establishing the history of the text if you had a version with less.
From a Madrian perspective, do you have any thoughts on the reason for the silver/gold split in the text tradition? Is there anything in the Madrian teaching or symbolism that might suggest how or why that difference arose?
-Race
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Post by david on Oct 18, 2016 16:56:09 GMT
Race,
I'm sorry for causing you confusion, but I confused the version in The Gospel Of Our Mother God with the version in The sacred Myths And Rites Of The Madrians. I've just read through the version in The Sacred Myths And Rites Of Teh Madrians, and it agrees completely with the version I was sent. I've just read through the version in The Gospel Of Our Mother God again, and noticed some differences.
The main difference, apart from the colour of the Light, is the Snake is referred to as he in the Literary Circle version and it in The Gospel Of Our Mother God.
Verse 3 of Chapter 1 in The Gospel Of Our Mother God says "She was pure consciousness". In the Literary Circle, it says "She was pure force".
Verse 3 of Chapter 2 ends with the word "saying" which is omitted in the Literary Circle.
Verse 4 of Chapter 2 in The Gospel Of Our Mother God says "First of the daughters of creation, you have lied a time that cannot be counted,and have run for all that time in the footsteps of the Mother, and have never taken rest amoing the things that are. Only embrace me and you shall have that rest."
The Literary Circle says "First of the daughters of creation, you have lived a time that cannot be counted, and have run for all that time in superfluity of energy, and have never known the sweetness of rest. Only embrace me and you shall have rest."
Verse 9 of Chapter 2, in The Gospel Of Our Mother God says "And at once she was turned for the Light of the Mother to the lights of the things that are." The Literary Circle omits this sentence.
Verse 3 of Chapter 3, in the Gospel of Our Mother God says "And She set Her seven Powers in the firmament, giving one to rule each colour of the earth." which is omitted in the Literary Circle.
Verse 7 of Chapter 3 in the Gospel Of Our Mother God says "The golden light of day will bring all goodness, but it will be too bright for your eyes. The silver light of night, that you may look upon." This is omitted in the Literary Circle.
The reason I was given for the Primordial Light being silver is that silver is the radiance of white which contains all the colours, and is therefore the colour of superabundance. Moonlight has always seemed to me to be more mysterious and purer than sunlight.
The Literary Circle version of "pure force" seems to me to be correct, because the Mother is the creative force of existence, and the source of all energy. The other differences in The Gospel Of Our Mother God seem to me to be interpolations to make the Creation more rational.
David.
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