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Post by racemochridhe on Jan 30, 2017 4:05:38 GMT
Those of you who lived in the Madrian households, I would appreciate a point of clarification.
In Aristasian literature, "maid" is always specified to be gender neutral. I have noticed that the articles in TCA generally use it this way as well, but p. 80 in the MRM, immediately preceding the various ritual appendices, states that, "The term 'maid', as used in this book, refers to any woman who has completed the fourteenth year of her present incarnation." I was aware, of course, that only women could be initiated priestesses among the Madrians, but does this mean that only a woman can perform the Rite of Sacrifice (which does not require an initiate to officiate) as well?
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Post by david on Jan 30, 2017 18:33:30 GMT
Race, I mentioned the Rite of Sacrifice in letters to Madria Olga, and she never told me I should stop performing it. Her replies were encouraging.
May She be with you,
David.
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Post by Madria(priestess)sophiaruth on Jan 30, 2017 23:43:11 GMT
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This is not in the Rite of Sacrifice Booklet (probably 1977). It is in The Catechism of the Children of the Goddess booklet (probably 1977).From my experience in living in the corrupted Madrian household becoming proto Aristasian in Burtonport. This sentence: "The term 'maid', as used in this book, refers to any woman who has completed the fourteenth year of her present incarnation." relates to being initiated into Ekklasia Madriana ( the Madrian Faith ). It means that one must be aged 14, that being the age of maturity. Lux Madriana Order used the term "maid" to mean humanity. From the Madria Olga Lotar papers it is "maid and man". groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/deanic_conversations/conversations/messages/2696In the Janite Deanic Tradition - we substituted the phrase, children of Dea, for the term, maid. The phrase, children of the Goddess, is used in many other verses in the Madrian edition of the scriptures and so, this phrase is traditional as well as being gender inclusive. Etymologically the Lux Madriana and Aristasian explanation is INCORRECT (Etymology is the study of the history of words, their origins, and how their form and meaning have changed over time. By extension, the term "the etymology (of a word)" means the origin of the particular word.) Here is the incorrect version: "The Meaning of the Word The word "maid" (earlier "may") signifies primarily the power of choice, being cognate with the modal auxiliary verb "may" (as in "this may happen") which expresses possibility or, by extension, permission. The past form of "may" is "might" which can also mean "power". The two meanings are closely connected, for a thing that may happen, clearly has the power to happen. Thus, to take a different word-group, our words "potential" (possibility) and "potency" (power) are closely derived from the same Latin root. "Maid" is thus defined as "she who has the power of choice"." ~ Etymological Research: The only time that 'maid' was used in connection with men in old English was when an un-married/virgin man was being described. I believe the word was maghu. For females it was maegden, so they were not spelled the same. Maghu was simply the male equivalent for the word maegden. I can find no etymology of the word maid meaning power to choose. The only time it was connected to the word 'may' was the old Scottish word for maid, which again, specifically referred to a virgin female. There will be much to treasure and some disappointments because of untruths, unsubstantiated theory, more recent archeology or authentic research etc. Dea will still be Dea, blessing us. Blessed is She. Sorella (Sister) Sophia Ruth
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Post by racemochridhe on Jan 31, 2017 4:40:41 GMT
Thank you, David, for putting my mind to ease on that point. I have recently been thinking of taking up the practice, but did not wish to be athamë in doing so.
Sister Sophia, your clarification about the intention of that definition is most helpful in confirming David's experience, and I thank you for passing it along. As to the etymology of "maid", this is something that has come up before. It is certainly the case that the English words "may" and "maid" did not develop from a common historical root, but I hesitate on that account to describe the Madrian and Aristasian explanation of the term as incorrect (or at least not with capital letters). As I understood it from the documents I have read (please correct me if I am wrong), the intention of the explanation was not to define historical origins of the term, but rather to show that, by divine providence, the two terms share a relationship revealing an underlying truth. In biology, we speak of "convergent evolution" when two animals have developed into remarkably similar forms without sharing a common ancestor (generally because they are responding to very similar environmental pressures). I suppose I imagine it a little like that... "may" and "maid" did not come from a common root, but they have developed a relationship of kindred sounds and forms that providentially reveals an underlying kinship of the concepts that is eternally valid, regardless of the historical circumstances or terminology of any particular language. Otherwise, what are we to make of v. 19 of The Pillar of Light? "But thou, My child, of all the world, thou alone hast power to choose; and thus art thou called maid, for maid is she that hath the power of choosing." Perhaps on earth these are not etymologically related terms, but they seem to be so in heaven, perhaps in "the tongue of Angels, that was before all tongues." (v.2)
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Post by david on Jan 31, 2017 17:28:20 GMT
I considering the origins of the words "may" and "maid", it is important to bear in mind that the Madrians claim the orign of all their teachings to be before any historical period of time. There may be no etymological connection between the two words in historical periods, but there may have been origianlly, in a prehistorical period, a time when they were connected. This connection may have been lost in historical periods.
May She be with you,
David.
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Post by Madria(priestess)sophiaruth on Jan 31, 2017 17:56:07 GMT
So to quote you Race: "It is certainly the case that the English words "may" and "maid" did not develop from a common historical root, but I hesitate on that account to describe the Madrian and Aristasian explanation of the term as incorrect (or at least not with capital letters). As I understood it from the documents I have read (please correct me if I am wrong), the intention of the explanation was not to define historical origins of the term, but rather to show that, by divine providence, the two terms share a relationship revealing an underlying truth." By your theory, Race: Maid [fem. variant of PIE root *maghu- "youngster of either sex, unmarried person] and made [from PIE *mag- "to knead, mix; to fashion, fit"] "the intention of the explanation was not to define historical origins of the term, but rather to show that, by divine providence, the two terms share a relationship revealing an underlying truth." Therefore, in an undefined "tongue of Angels, that was before all tongues." "But you, child, of all the world, you alone has the power to make - create; and so you are called maid, for maid is she that created all, not God." The two terms share a relationship revealing an underlying truth. Disregard the origins of things - always in Truth and in Spirit. Then every thing is severed from their source, turned upside down. Not only are there axial worlds/realms/planes, there are also axial states of being. My understanding of the Madrian teaching of axial are those beings (humanity and ethereal nature spirits are mentioned in The Creation scripture) who have the opportunity to move up and down the axis. There are in all probability more axial states of being than these two, we have limited knowledge. This is who and what is described in: "We live in a state of ignorance and limitation. When we clear out the obstructions which cloud and obscure the Divine Spark within us, when we continuously choose to move towards Dea rather than away from Her (as our scriptures teach), then our souls evolve, the obscurity melts away and the Divine Spark within shines, again. It’s like our souls, which are the temple of spirit, are diamonds in the rough that must be refined and polished in order for the True Light to shine from within." A.M. Pamela deanic.com/2016/12/10/faq-spiritsoul-part-i/May Dea bless you. Blessed is She. Sophia Ruth (Sorella) Sister of the Janite Deanic Faith |
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